According to Wikipedia, revision of the 常用漢字 (Jōyō kanji) was first proposed . The jouyou kanji list is the sum of all the characters taught in. I already answered a similar question in another thread, so I will post it again here. The answer is quite long, however be sure to read through all of it, as it. Overview lists just contain the kanji without any additional information. The detailed Lists contain all the Information you need for studying and writing your own.
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Jōyō kanji – Wikipedia
I remember being discouraged and distracted by the joyo list as a student of Japanese. That considered, it is of no used to J-2nd language learners. But the most important thing to note is that the number of Kanji is irrelevant! Discussion from pretty long ago. I realize the importance of context, of course, so I try to read and listen to real Japanese as much as possible. I wonder if this is perhaps a rationale behind its continued inclusion? Japanese writing Components Kanji.
Also If you know the stroke order for radicals you can ignore trying to learn it for individual kanji a most of the time stroke order is defined in the radicals. Every word that is forced into obscurity just because it includes a kanji that is not on the jouyou list is a loss for the Japanese language.
The NEW 常用漢字 and why we shouldn’t give a damn
Views Read Edit View history. Knowing Radicals can remove a lot of the difficulty of leaning kanji. Retrieved from ” https: The important number you should be paying attention to is 10, for vocabulary. I do stand in agreement with you that this is a practically useless way to learn kanji, and that many of them that I have learned through the book I have never seen in jouhou. I guess it would be useful if you were kanhi biologist or chemist….
I think you do make some valid points. Archived from the original on 3 March This page was last edited on 4 Decemberat The list does serve a useful purpose for foreigners learning the language too. I think the point joujou that a lot of kanji included in Joyo are there because of their frequency in names.
I sure hope not! Granted, I do have more kanji to go, and I kanju a habit of making studying harder on kamji than most people do. Out of interest, how are they planning on fitting them into the school curriculum? What they are doing is tinkering around the edges to make the best of a difficult situation. You can find the analysis at this site http: In my opinion, the worst problem with the list is that it fools innocent learners such as you and I into thinking we should use it somehow in our studies.
I plug each one into my dictionary and put the most useful terms into a vocab list.
I was wondering if you knew how much of the kanji for the JLPT is from the Jouyou Kanji or if they test on commonly used kanji not found on the list.
In the past, I learned grade 1, then grade 2, then grade 3 Jouyou kanji. In Chinese, it is used for a lot of things. That there were surely political jouyoh and committee decisions involved is part of life.
Sorry pressed post comment by accident why I hate typing on a touch Screen on the Wikipedia search: Literary and colloquial readings. So what if there are a small number of imperfections if the bulk of the work is sound?
Thats mostly all i use it for- gauging level and progress. Differences between Shinjitai and Simplified characters.
I think the indignation comes from how ridiculously bad the list is and the fact that it affects us all who are learning Japanese negatively to some degree. I only ever considered the list a side aid, something i could look at to gauge my level and pick up a few new kanji here and there that kaji useful.
Personally, I think we would have been better off without the damn list in the first place. High schools and universities started using the characters in their entrance exams since the academic year.
I find this funny, being only 2 days after your post. Three years later, there was news as recently as last month of a tentative list to be released in February of No one ever set any limits on novels and magazines and other publications if I recall correctly except maybe encouraging them to use furigana for hard kanji.